tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post1386341247124044401..comments2023-05-02T12:33:58.182+01:00Comments on Perpetually In Transit: God bless the Celtic fringe Perpetuahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-72841878934603192872013-09-21T11:03:47.246+01:002013-09-21T11:03:47.246+01:00It's wonderful! I saw the news first on a chur...It's wonderful! I saw the news first on a church mailing list and immediately read the BBC item. Mind you, it's taken 23 years for Ireland actually to elect a woman after passing the legistaltion, so I'm not holding my breath.... :-)Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-13927833491078258012013-09-20T22:54:25.997+01:002013-09-20T22:54:25.997+01:00But the Church of Ireland have finally elected the...But the Church of Ireland have finally elected their first female bishop today! http://ireland.anglican.org/news/4723 Let's hope Wales, Scotland & England follow!chaplain.czhttp://www.rickyyates.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-42221451478815381802013-09-19T13:06:50.987+01:002013-09-19T13:06:50.987+01:00Isn't it just! 'About time' isn't ...Isn't it just! 'About time' isn't too far from the mark, since a Bill to allow the ordination of women bishops failed 5 years ago in Wales. <br /><br />Interestingly, with both the legislation for women priests and for women bishops, it was the clergy vote which caused it to fail first time in Wales, while the laity were overwhelmingly in favour, whereas in England the laity vote was only just sufficient for the women priests Bill and, as we all know, insufficient for the women bishops Bill. I find that a fascinating difference.....Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-31495651363928835832013-09-19T12:16:07.445+01:002013-09-19T12:16:07.445+01:00It's absolutely thrilling news and I'm tem...It's absolutely thrilling news and I'm tempted to say 'about time', but then that might be considered 'churlish' and I wouldn't want to be that when it's a day for celebration! Come on, England, do the right thing! Really disheartening when the laity failed us in the Synod. A very black day...The Broadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04976467218216864644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-53647021585726017452013-09-17T16:28:28.863+01:002013-09-17T16:28:28.863+01:00It's marvellous news, Dee, and I'm still s...It's marvellous news, Dee, and I'm still so happy about it. I can remember a good friend of mine, then the local RC priest, once telling me that he believes Rome will one day have women priests, but first it has to get overt the hurdle of a married priesthood. No, you and I won't see it, but i do hope to live long enough to rejoice at the election of the first female bishop in Wales.<br /><br />Many thanks for ther book recommendation. I'm off to check the library catalogue.....Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-69749033967917944492013-09-17T15:57:32.767+01:002013-09-17T15:57:32.767+01:00Dear Perpetua, this is indeed wonderful news. Thri...Dear Perpetua, this is indeed wonderful news. Thrilling really. I wonder when the Roman church will make a move forward and permit women priests. That won't happen during my lifetime. Maybe we'll see married priests, but not women. But sometime it just has to happen or the Roman Church will crumble into obscurity.<br /><br />A book you might enjoy because it so pictures the late 1960s and early '70s and show just how far women have come since then is "The Wednesday Sisters." The novel is by Meg Waite Clayton. It was published in 2009 and was a national bestseller here. I missed it back in 2009 but read it this past weekend and marveled at what we've lived through. Peace.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00612299013780771262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-42566538147393213692013-09-15T18:49:32.882+01:002013-09-15T18:49:32.882+01:00I'm so pleased for them and for myself, thanks...I'm so pleased for them and for myself, thanks, Patricia. and also for all the laypeople who have been so supportive of women clergy over the years. Our present vicar is a woman and she's wonderful.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-40400707621987667692013-09-15T18:11:46.791+01:002013-09-15T18:11:46.791+01:00I knew you'd be thrilled as soon as I heard th...I knew you'd be thrilled as soon as I heard this on the news Perpetua and thought of you straight away. You must be delighted for your fellow clergy in Wales. Excellent.<br />Patricia xPatriciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16116574112768767203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-61550130911950557642013-09-14T23:26:21.107+01:002013-09-14T23:26:21.107+01:00Thanks, Sian. I'm really thrilled about it. I ...Thanks, Sian. I'm really thrilled about it. I don't think there's likely to be a vacancy in our six dioceses anytime soon, but at least the possibility is now there when the time comes. It seems absolutely right that your father, who so approved of the idea of women clergy, had a woman to take his funeral.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-34276082837839036652013-09-14T23:23:12.799+01:002013-09-14T23:23:12.799+01:00Great, isn't it, PolkaDot? Yes, it's a ful...Great, isn't it, PolkaDot? Yes, it's a full five years since the first attempt to pass the Bill failed. Wales seems to need two goes at everything. :-) I do so hope that the C of E achieves success next time.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-90469907897798142102013-09-14T20:53:00.025+01:002013-09-14T20:53:00.025+01:00I thought of you immediately I heard. Wonderful n...I thought of you immediately I heard. Wonderful news isn't it?? Now... let's hope the churches can get on an elect a woman bishop before too long!! My late father was very much in favour of women clergy so I was pleased a woman officiated at his funeral. Though some folk were less than impressed. But I think Dad would have approved.Sianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15086990153239265950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-43096813035948216832013-09-14T19:39:35.990+01:002013-09-14T19:39:35.990+01:00I was delighted to hear about this on the news! I ...I was delighted to hear about this on the news! I hadn't realised they were voting on the issue again.<br /><br />Come on England - our turn next!!<br /><br />PolkaDothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04753780150155246671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-56901073692903811542013-09-14T12:45:56.341+01:002013-09-14T12:45:56.341+01:00You're absolutely right, Linda. Change is neve...You're absolutely right, Linda. Change is never easy and some will find this particular one very painful. However I have faith that the Church in Wales will handle this as carefully and sensitively as it did the ordination of women to the priesthood, where we managed to remain friends, despite disagreeing.<br /><br />Thank you for the good wishes.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-88809203411955366462013-09-14T08:38:45.692+01:002013-09-14T08:38:45.692+01:00I'm pleased for you personally, Perpetua, and ...I'm pleased for you personally, Perpetua, and for the wider church in general since it paves the way for progress in the C. of E. However, change is not easy and remains painful for those who have deeply held views. Thankful that the decision that was made by the Governing Body of the Church in Wales was a majority vote in favour of the ordination of women bishops and other views were respected and a code of practice will support them. I see that your eye op will be in a couple of weeks so continue to think of you. Linda Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634839688042592781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-13339736340023430292013-09-13T23:40:25.909+01:002013-09-13T23:40:25.909+01:00I'm glad the news made it across the Atlantic,...I'm glad the news made it across the Atlantic, Penny. It is indeed wonderful news and I look forward to the day when the first woman bishop is actually elected. It may not be very soon, however, as there isn't likely to be a vacancy for a while, but it's good to know the possibility is there.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-83658894337489514982013-09-13T23:19:34.229+01:002013-09-13T23:19:34.229+01:00I'd heard this on the radio, Perpetua, and tho...I'd heard this on the radio, Perpetua, and thought of you, thinking how pleased you would be. It is very good news.Penny O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14665025558373015362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-16153802443205962672013-09-13T20:16:23.146+01:002013-09-13T20:16:23.146+01:00Thanks and I do agree with you that the logic of t...Thanks and I do agree with you that the logic of the decision is unarguable. I'm glad to say that when women were ordained priest in Wales, there was no mass exodus from the church and I'm hopeful that the same will be true this time. The Church in Wales is small. We are a family and somehow we manage to live together with love and mutual respect even when we disagree profoundly with each other. I do hope that the same will prove to be true in England.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-62985393310544803082013-09-13T20:11:50.621+01:002013-09-13T20:11:50.621+01:00Thanks, Annie. I'll be glad when it's done...Thanks, Annie. I'll be glad when it's done and dusted.<br /><br />It is marvellous, isn't it? The right decision and made after deep, careful and respectful debate.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-53916908143774790232013-09-13T19:40:56.906+01:002013-09-13T19:40:56.906+01:00Good. I am happy for your happiness! It does seem ...Good. I am happy for your happiness! It does seem so logical that priests should be able to become bishops. Any other position makes a nonsense of Anglican church hierarchy. However, I know that the whole thing is painfully controversial, and I only hope that logic - and kindness - will prevail in England eventually...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-26226228338990659982013-09-13T19:06:53.395+01:002013-09-13T19:06:53.395+01:00What marvellous news! I'm feeling proud of my ...What marvellous news! I'm feeling proud of my adopted country's church today.<br /><br />Good luck with the eye surgery m'dear xAnnie Cholewahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17608057589525908147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-26340988123681164442013-09-13T13:32:45.475+01:002013-09-13T13:32:45.475+01:00Thanks, Patricia, it's very good news. Yes, Au...Thanks, Patricia, it's very good news. Yes, Australia and other Anglican provinces around the world have led the way in this. Each province can decide for itself, which is why there is a difference of opinion and practice in different places.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-42307741963241250762013-09-13T12:44:42.646+01:002013-09-13T12:44:42.646+01:00Great news Perpetua, and I can understand how happ...Great news Perpetua, and I can understand how happy you are about this decision. I was surprised to read that this is not a universal position, especially as our local Anglican bishop in Australia is a woman. Well done, Wales!Patriciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11685403215601517267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-59566117018504809082013-09-13T12:20:14.983+01:002013-09-13T12:20:14.983+01:00Thanks, Annie. I expect the great majority of peop...Thanks, Annie. I expect the great majority of people outside the church think this is a long-overdue decision. As for England's problem, I couldn't possibly comment.:-)Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-72278908851083598822013-09-13T11:36:17.167+01:002013-09-13T11:36:17.167+01:00Like Ayak, I'm not religious but do appreciate...Like Ayak, I'm not religious but do appreciate the importance of this decision...however late it may have been in coming. What's England's problem..(on second thoughts, don't answer that!)<br /><br />AxxxArtyZenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12628693178003940118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705825161954545710.post-38726544308291816942013-09-13T10:55:44.779+01:002013-09-13T10:55:44.779+01:00I thought you'd identify strongly with this ne...I thought you'd identify strongly with this news, Ricky. The Governing Body is much smaller now than when I was a member for the vote on women priests in 1996, but the TV coverage brought back many happy memories. <br /><br />I just hope that Wales doesn't wait as long as Ireland before electing a woman bishop. They made the decision in 1990 but are still waiting for the first. Scotland voted in 2003 and again are still waiting. Hopefully England will finally have the courage to make the change.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.com